Hi folks. Setting up an inside grow as last year was the total pits due to lack of moisture outside in Ontario. We have a closet like room, used to be a cold room. Size is 50"w by 60"deep by 6'10"high. walls are white, floor concrete. Can block all light. So far we have a metal halide 400w light with balast,which we will raise up off the ground. Also available is a florescent fixture and can buy new tubes, not a problem. Have already spent near $800 for seeds and light. haven't got them yet but want to be ready,set,go! when they get here. Some for outside, some for in. Have ordered; Lethal Purple,Ambrosia,Y2K,NepaliGrizzly,Northern Flame,
Dutch Treat X NL.
Which do you more experianced folks think will do best inside, hopefully to grow into a SOG? I am confused on how to start them;have read and read and now, damn I am confused! I have bought jiffy's but have read bad things about starting in them. Do not want to go hydro as I know nothing about it. Have gardened for years the traditional way. I am also confused about what to grow in. Hopefully something not heavy as yes, I am a girl!(all old hippies return to roast!)Also, fertilizer, prefer organic but hey if it works I will try!
Here is what I want to do: start and veg with flourescent and then finish with flowers on the halide. I also want to start while plants are veging or flowering, either clones or seeds, which could get complicated as the space is not big. We could have a shelf in the room also. I have hunted and hunted and need a plan folks! I will upgrade light if needed as it is returnable. Also worried about heat build up. Need a vent and air exchange; there was a vent in the room, it has been drywalled over but not hard to open it up. Just people coming to the house will walk by it so have to make sure there is no odour. Can a bathroom fan be converted to a vent and a charcoal filter be used to cover odour? The only actual layout I have seen is in a dutch coffee shop online, which was a box built to grow in. I need pictures and good advise! Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks very much in advance!

j-angel

LOTS of questions ! Keep the MH & the Jiffy Pots, if you want to organic I can't help you there though.
All you need for the first month is CFLs for the seeds if you want to stay with tubes go ahead. Either must be a 6500 K TRUE cool white. This spectrum produces compact strong growth with early side shoots (important for future clones)
here's what I like about Jiffy pots: #1 No transplant shock #2 Breathable pots so overwatering can be quickly remedied by putting a fan on the pots. To prevent them from drying out and maximum growth place them in styrafoam cups (with or without drain holes) to keep the sidewalls damp. Whem a lot of roots start coming out the sides it time to repot.
I and many others feel that the MH produces more potent pot probably from the UV light they produce. You will be able to maintain a much larger population of plants indoors with it as the growth is more compact.
Keep your plants as far off the floor as you can as it's cold down there. Ideally root temperature should be a constant 70 F. I have my light as close to the ceiling as possible and my plants elevated, as close as safely possible to the light.
I urge you to look over all the newly formed "Grow Faq" forum where you will find years of archived imformation from many brilliant growers. You don't have register unless you want to ask questions.
[forums.cannabisculture.com]

Okay, first question: I don't mean to sound stupid but what are "CFL'S"? Okay, the jiffy's are in. What about air quility? I can keep a fan going, no probs there, and I know will strengthen stems.
Thanks for all your suggestions. I do appreciate that.

j-angel

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> Okay, first question: I don't mean to sound stupid
> but what are "CFL'S"?
> What about air quility? I can keep a fan going,
> no probs there, and I know will strengthen stems.
Compact FLoresents ( you know the cute twistys) They have electonic ballasts (more energy efficient) and are far brighter up close. I keep them an inch away from the tops of the plants. I have a light meter, at that distance they are as bright as the MH is at 12-14 inches away.
A fan is good enough for air quality, your probably gonna need some ventilation when you fire up the 400 watt light, depends on how cold your room is. A bathroom ceiling fan would be good enough for exhausting warm air out but not pushing through a carbon filter (I have no hands on experience just here-say) But that's a long ways off, they don't smell much, if at all, unless they're in bloom.
Oh, and save your males and make seeds, for gawds sake. People will gladly send you free seeds, if you send some of yours, trading is welcome at the CC forums.

Gottcha. So just the regular compact florescents? I have a ton of those. I have been cruising the other boards, and have found some info on new grow ops. I do not want to "go big" just sick of 200 per oz. on the street. Goin' to have to ask kids were to get it soon and that is NOT kosher! So the CFL's will do for starting seeds, clones and for SOG's? Do you do hydro? And what about feeding the little guys? I also will set it all up and test for light leaks and temp before planting. I read aprox. 75 f is good as far as temp. Am I right? Any imput is great. Thanks so much!

j-angel

No, not any Cfls will do. They must be 6500 K TRUE cool white also called daylight. GE & Philips are the ones I've only seen off the shelf here in Vancouver. Warm white is needed for blooming if you want to go all the way with CFLs (the red light encourages blooming). I use soluble 20-20-20 at 1/4 strength, Miracle Gro, Peters, whatever, as long as it has trace elements. For flowering I switch over gradually to Alaska More Bloom 0-10-10. 7 drops per liter the final max. Temperature: lights on max 85 F off 65 minimum. The bigger the difference the more they stretch. I don't and never will do 'dro. I use Premiere ProMix HP for soil. Below is a graph of light color effects on plant growth & a scan of what I've found available.



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Great information. I will pick up the lights this week and what do you suggest for a fixture? I could probably get one from the restore or crappy tire with 3 bulb outlets that I could rig up to plug in. Would that work, or do you have a better idea? Thank you so very much. Which seeds do you suggest for starting and going on to a SOG? I have ordered Lethal Purple,Ambrosia,Y2K,NepaliGrizzly,Northern Flame,
Dutch Treat X NL. I beleive the dutch treat X would work, but not sure. And how do I make sure all the seeds germinate the best possible way? The papertowel method or just plant in the jiffy's? 10 seeds is not many to be careless with. I will start the rest to transplant outside. I am pretty sure the Premiere ProMix is pretty widely available. What does the HP stand for? And does it have to be the same brand? Where do you get that brand? Sorry if I am driving you crazy with the questions. And thanks so much for your help!

I picked up a light bar like you see over a bathroom mirror, used at a salvage yard. The GE bulbs are on sale right now (but probably sold out) at Canadian Tire.
Yes the Dutch Treat X NL would be my first pick, the rest are bred forthe outdoors so should be saved for that.
I use the paper towel method to germinate, and as soon as they crack and show the root tip I sow them, a half inch deep, POINTED END UP.
Large Rona and Canadian Tire stores, if they have a garden center, both carry Premiere ProMix. HP = High Porosity ( extra perlite ) the BX is good too, just add more perlite. Sunshine makes a similar product, but I'm sticking with the ProMix, This is generally considered the best in the grow community for soiless mix.
Here is the URL for another seed company who has a most excellent grow instructions. They also have directions to go organic both use the ProMix as the base soil & Premiere's web site to read up on their products. Take the time to read up on the beneficial fungus that Premiere adds to the Pro line of products, Mycorise.
[www.premierhort.com]
[www.highgrade-seeds.com]

Thanks very much for the links. I will check them out well. I also have found a good one for lighting gchydro.com and other grow items. They are a hydro company but have things that can use for soil growing inside also. I have been reading on the Cannabis Forums and trying to follow threads but it takes a lot of time to get the info. I will check out the Rona and Canadian Tire near me this weekend. I was also wondering about the funguscides. This answers my question. As there is fungus control in the pro mix would it not be okay to start in the mix over the jiffy's? And should I put the started seeds in a dome or is that inviting disaster? don't want them to rot or damp off. Thanks muchly and take care of yourself.

j-angel

I thought you were talking about peat pots not those little pellets that you soak in water. They are crap.
Most people just use styrafoam cups for starter pots. The ProMix is ideal for starting seeds in.
I believe you followed the wrong product line, ProMix HP has no fungicide in it. It has a beneficial fungus in it Mycorise that bonds with the roots to help uptake nutrients, mainly Phosphorous.
The CC server and forum software is a POS. They changed it after a hacker shut it down for weeks demanding a ransom to release it. It's never been the same. MANY people have abandoned it because of the slugishness.
Domes are for clones NOT seedlings. You want a small fan blowing on your babies to toughen up the stems by being rocked in the breeze.

Not sure what a POS is. Okay will do the fan etc. And the ProMix HP . Getting the lights in too this weekend. Just need the seeds now! I do appreciate all your help. Any other tips etc you can think of just fire away!

j-angel

POS = Piece Of Shit ! LOL. Tips ? get the 6500K while they're on sale at Canadian Tire TODAY sale ends thursday. $9 or $13 (26 watt) for two which would you rather pay ? If you've ever grown tomatoes or peppers from seed you should have no problems very similar germination and culture needs.
Oh yeah, ProMix is pre-fertilized, don't feed seedlings for at least a couple of weeks.

Geez-loiz!!! LOL! POS? I like that! Okay. going today to get lights.

I have a new question: Sorry but I do! I have Napli Grizly backordered, want a hash possiblility here. It will not come in till after the 30th of May for shipping: any ideas for a sub? OR should I stick with that, start inside and get to veg state before outside planting? I have been hunting through the lists and forum for suggestions. Could get g-spot, hashberry, hashplant and replace the napli. Not sure what the best course of action here as the Napali is outside only. Next question: what do you grow and suggest all around? Looking for good thoughts here and you seem the soul to offer them.
Thanks muchly, And especially for all your kindest help.

j-angel

For hash I'd get the Kish or Cash Plant (Kish X Hashplant), forget about the Grizzly for this year. I'm growing right now some exotic stuff pure East Asian Sativa crosses from Reeferman Seeds that did NOT germinate well. I've got Blueberry & Mandala Seeds Satori I got in a trade growing too. These are all new so I can't comment on them except a new grower should stay awy from Blueberry or any crosses of it too as it is sensitive to nutrients.
I'm continuing to grow some of my own seeds I made from Blaze. Hindu Kush from clones (Higrade Seeds original)
I like all the stuff Wild Rose Seeds makes. Next Generation stuff appeals to me 'speacially the "Gold" line. The new commer Secret Valley stuff looks great also.
Check the Best Sellers list too, sort of the peoples choice awards of what's available. The Blue Mountain Jamaican was #1 for almost a year and a half till just a couple of weeks ago, that should tell you something, I doubt you could grow that outside.



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Okey Dokey. subed the Kish for the Napali. Sounds good. so many choices so much to try! So little time! Sounds like the kish will grow inside and out. I will give it a whirl.

Also, it is Cannabis.com I have been lurking in, not CC. You are right it is POS over there. LOL! And yes, it is the GrowFAQ's, as you suggested. It is a great place for info. Lots and lots of info to wade through. Takes a lot of time though, and have to do it when the kid is not around. LOL! feel like a kid again!

Anyway, one more question SO FAR!!!!! lol! How do you find the best sellers list? I have not found it yet. Just me though. Thanks muchly and will let you know if there is any further info I need. And how it grows!!! Any other info you can dredge up to help will be appreciated.
Good Life to You,

j-angel

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> Anyway, one more question SO FAR!!!!! lol! How
> do you find the best sellers list?


Upper right hand corner of the page, just below "Shopping Cart"
If you want the bestselling marijuana seeds only list then select "Marijuana Seeds" from the "Our Products" list on the left hand menu box. If you select an individual breeder from the Marijuana seeds menu you will get a bestseller list of that individual breeders seeds. Very cool !
I'm sure the Kish would do well indoors, probably a good SCROG contender too !
"Grown in large pots it still yields well but is best in a high plant per light ratio"
Hey, if you think I'm helpfull, wait till you ask a question on the CC forums, chicks always get the "red carpet" treatment. The "Big Cheese" moderator is a Texas female (we think, lol) Frmrgrl (name sound familiar heheh)

Wonderful~! I just checked out the bestsellers. I notice they go from 1 down all the way to include all the individual companies contributions. And that the kish is a #1 so that is just great. can't wait to get the little ones going!!! I also am going to get the hubby to try and help me with one of those rubbermaid grow units. Good for starting the little beggers maybe. and is scrog the same as sea of green? or similiar? Like grown into a canopy and go from there? only with big pots right? Okay, told you there would be more questions!!!
Life,

j-angel

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and is scrog the same as sea of green? or
> similiar? Like grown into a canopy and go from
> there? only with big pots right?
ah, close enough, your a couple a months away from that decision. SOG is just a freshly rooted clone put immediately into flower, they can be grown in small pots and packed close together, so no light is wasted. The ideal way to grow Sativas if you ask me. Plants look like a bud growing out of a pot when mature.
SCROG normal grown plants whose height is restricted by a screen and only the bud shoots allowed to penetrate the canopy.
Then there's reverse SCROG (I haven't really figured out the advantge of this one) the screen is in place early on, the plants allowed to grow through then tied down to the screen, as it grows.
Me I like to just prune to height, sort of bonzai treatment style.

Keep us updated on the Kish.

I have some Kish seeds that I may germ this summer, so I'm interested in your progress.

SCROG normal grown plants whose height is restricted by a screen and only the bud shoots allowed to penetrate the canopy.
Then there's reverse SCROG (I haven't really figured out the advantge of this one) the screen is in place early on, the plants allowed to grow through then tied down to the screen, as it grows. frmrboi

Okay frmrboi I will look that up. Never hurts to be optimistic and look to what I will do in the future!

And yes, maniak I will keep you posted once I have them started etc. How is everyones weather today? we got such a major dump that all is closed here. Just glad I am not in the states though! I have a freind in Kentucky and the twisters happened just a 100 miles south of her! pretty scary!
Anyway,
To Life people!

j-angel

The weather here is alright. The rain has stopped for the time being. I better go, time to get to work.

Weathers fine now, snowed again, damn it, yesterday.
OK, just want to know what your water quality is like. There's only one thing more important than good water and that's good light.
I'm blessed with an unlimited supply of almost pure water free here, rainwater. Well water is almost always poison, to hard. Some tap water comes from wells. It takes a lot of water to grow dope indoors. You may have to buy a reverse osmosis water purifier if you don't have easy access to plentiful pure water.

Frmrboi - I also used a vanity light fixture last time, it was great for my purposes.

jangel - You mentioned that you have years of gardening experience so you should have no problems growing pot. (Especially if you use the tips in this thread.) From my experiences, compared to vegetables, it's much easier to grow.

I don't want to change the subject of this thread, but I wanted to ask you what you have experience growing, any types of vegetables? Send me a private message so we don't dilute this fine thread.

Hi Frmrboi. We have our own well water, which is spring fed. No city water out in the country here. Will that be okay? Okay, maniak, will send a private message. Our water is just great, no buying water for us. We also have a creek on our property. It is hard water though. Tastes great! Let me know what your think. could by jug water if nessacary.

j-angel

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We have our own well water, which is
> spring fed. No city water out in the country
> here. Will that be okay? Our water is just great, no
> buying water for us. We also have a creek on our
> property. It is hard water though. Tastes great!
> Let me know what your think. could by jug water
> if nessacary.

Hard water is lethal over a long term, the minerals build up and also lock out nutrients.
Hard water tastes great, I know I grew up on it, and couldn't stand the taste of soft water from the city I moved to, but back then there was no such thing as bottled water (I would have been too cheap to buy it anyways).
If you have house plants that have been watered with your well water over a long time then your probably OK. I'd collect rainwater as soon as it's available or melt snow.
Jug water is often hard too.
You need pails full of pure water per week to grow properly. Soils need to be flushed regularly with lots of water to keep the roots happy.

Yes, I have happy houseplants. I know with some home water you get a build up on the soil. Looks almost like off-white perlite. I have never had that type of buildup on my plants. Just for a matter of discussion would water put through a water softener work? I could not stand the taste of it, and I think there is a large amount of different salts in it. But I am sure as a matter of interest for this thread, it will come up.

Also, I have a new question, IMAGINE THAT! The room I will be growing in is below grade, and it is an older home. Should I wash all the walls down with a disenfetant? Bleach? pinesol? detol? I know bleach kills any mold or mildew, hate the smell and not good for the septic but will do it if it will help.

Thanks muchly in advance again.

to Life,

j-angel

No to softened water it is worse than the hard water.
No to the disenfection, but if it's that damp down there your maybe going to need a dehumidifier. It is very important that the humidity remain below at the very least 70%, 65% even better. This is so the plants can transpire moisture out, the process is what pulls the nutrients up out of the soil into the plants.
If the humidity is to high plant growth will stagnate and molds will rot your buds internally.
I still would use rainwater or melted snow over well water, these are very valuable plants your cultivating and deserve the best.

okay, have a big barrel so I will fill it with snow and bring inside. It will be light after the last dumping we had! Have to just make sure it is not YELLOW snow as I have dogs! LOL! Our basement is not overly damp now, but can be in the summer. I have 2 dehumidifiers but cannot run them with the ambient temp outside so low. They freeze up at this time of year. I don't think with a fan on I will have too high humidity. will they work all right even so cold outside?

Life

j-angel

jangel Wrote:
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will
> they work all right even so cold outside?
>
no, I have one in my grow room, I only run it after lights out while the room is quite warm 78 F. They work best at higher temps like over 75.
Don't worrry about it for now but watch it once you get growing in the closet. If it's cold outside your humidity will be naturally lower indoors for now.
PS a little piss is OK, a good source of nitrogen.

LOL! okay, Include the yellow snow! I have 5 dogs so it could get pretty gross! But I do understand!
Also, I have read to save urine or to pee around outside plants. Is this to ward off animals or is it to fertilize? myabe get my hubby to do this, he has the "hose"! LOL!
Life

j-angel